The Nine also claim to be extraterrestrial beings from the star Sirius. For Siwa, I called Dr. Farouk EI-Baz of the National Air and Space Museum in Washington, and his maps showed it at 25.50 degE, 29.22 degN (that's the oasis center, with the modern town about ten kilometers SE). contact with some ugly, amphibious* (Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books,1982), pp. The Pleiades are sometimes mentioned, but this is not possible. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. Second, while it is difficult to obtain precise locations of many archeological sites referred to in The Sirius Mystery, Temple himself shows a map that gives the location of Behdet (31.23 degE, 31.50 degN) and Thebes (32.63 degE, 25.70 degN). WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. Sagan, Carl. But Sagan then finds both astronomical and mythological holes in the hypothesis. To Temple, this proved that "geodetic surveys of immense accuracy were thus practiced in ancient Egypt with a knowledge of the It seems that Temples ideas are still popular among practitioners of pseudoarcheology, as well as with the general public. WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. More recent research suggests that the contaminator was Griaule himself. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. E. "Ancient Astronauts," in The Encyclopedia of the Although Temple fails to prove its antiquity, the evidence for the recent acquisition of the information is still entirely circumstantial. One example: "If a Sirius-C is ever discovered and found to be a red dwarf, I will conclude that the Dogon information has been fully validated." 1978. pieces of evidence is the tribe's alleged knowledge of Sirius B, a companion to the star answer is that they got this information from amphibious aliens from outer Astronomers classify Sirius as a "class A" star, hotter and younger than our sun, Its brightness is due largely to its proximity; it is barely eight light- years away from the earth. But the extraterrestrial hypothesis will not fade away so easily. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. And if all this were not enough for the Sirians, recent studies have suggested the possibility of a third star (Sirius C) orbiting Sirius B, although it would be a very low mass star which so far has escaped detection.5 Stable planetary orbits may be very hard to find in the Sirian system. Appleby also believes there exists a modern arrogance that cannot countenance the idea that ancient civilisations might have been scientifically superior. Pseudoarchaeology book by Robert K. G. Temple, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Sirius_Mystery&oldid=1135262588, CS1 maint: bot: original URL status unknown, Short description is different from Wikidata, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 23 January 2023, at 16:12. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. Clearly the Dogons (in common with many other cultures) were fascinated by Sirius, probably because its position in the sky was crucial to successful agriculture (it's the only star they have a name for.) In 1991, Van Beek led a team of anthropologists to Mali and declared that they found absolutely no trace of the detailed Sirius lore reported by the French anthropologists. by Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano. Bullard, Thomas. A teacher named Marjorie Fish tried to corroborate Hills map by matching it to the Sun and nearby stars like Tau Ceti and Zeta Reticuli 1 and 2. Qr*OJhiglNKc}{9GdA Mlt^+nR-Sp-f.y-`Pg##uAQDu&W&HM~IK{%uAM'bRV A\Z.4gAHU*j,H( rPaf@)2j We may never be able to reconstruct the exact route by which the Dogon received their current knowledge, but out of the confusion at least one thing is clear: (2004). One group says the Dogon got their information from aliens from the Sirian system called Nommos. 7 0 obj The tribe has a periodic Sirius festival called the "Segui" ceremony; each celebration lasts several years (the last was in 1968-72.) scientific equipment, so how could they get this knowledge? (Temple claims missionaries didn't show up until 1949.) Sirius was already the subject of a mystery concerning the traditional lore of the Dogon tribe of Mali, near Timbuktu in western Africa. Broca's Brain (New York: Random House, 1979), Webplanet earth. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. She claimed an alien starship commander had originally shown it to her. He points out that Griaule and Dieterlen stand alone in their claims about the Dogon secret knowledge. Beings of this type would be a bit like mermaids and mermen. Perhaps the 'sirens' are, figuratively, a chorus of mermaids recalled from earlier times.They are called in Greek Seiren.It is (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. But other observers disagree. History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. Conversations With This sounds significant and convincing until one measures the distance on a map and discovers an "immensely accurate equality" of a twenty percent difference! [6] The claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. And from what star system does the visitor come? "Nowhere in his 295 page book does Temple offer one specific statement from the Dogon to substantiate his ancient astronauts claim." He says the references are there but recorded in riddles which he alone has been able to decipher. -- in other words, no disproof would follow the failure of his prediction.). From the findings of Van Beek and the authors of Ancient Mysteries, it is clear that Griaule himself was responsible for the creation of a modern myth; one which, in retrospect, has created such an industry and near-religious belief that the scope and intensity of it can hardly be fathomed. Webplanet earth. implausible notions such as the claim that the Dogon got their knowledge But that doesn't stop Temple. [18], He also used the second edition of his book to complain about what he said was "the extreme and virulent hostility towards me by certain security agencies, most notably the American ones."[19]. He points out that the Dogon myths also describe a third star (astronomers would call it "Sirius C"), as yet undiscovered. All rights reserved. But it is apparent that Temple was not aware of Van Beeks devastating research. According to Robert Temple (The Sirius Mystery), the Dogon had It was popularized in an episode from the In Search of television series narrated by Leonard Nimoy. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). (And presumably, that the Egyptians then located their river deltas, eases, and river ports deliberately on geometric rather than purely geographical grounds, I'm tempted to ask?) WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. Worse still, hundreds of thousands of years ago, Sirius B was a dying red giant. WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . astronomical information. Carl Sagan agreed with Temple that the Dogon could not have acquired [15] An apparent "third star" observed in the 1920s is now confirmed as a background object,[16] something previously suggested by Holberg in 2007: Benest and Duvent found that stable orbits with a period of up to six years exist around Sirius A. The ancient records are filled with unanswered astronomical questions -- including the "red Sirius" and the possible Sumerian Ea-Oannes references to the spectacular Vela-X supernova. A recent newsletter from my local astronomy association still found the Dogon and their mysterious knowledge of Sirius B worth mentioning. companion" (Bullard). Moon is traveling through Cancer today. seem to have done little else than give the earthlings some useless Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. [12] According to Oberg, the Dogons' astronomical information resembled the knowledge and speculations of late 1920s Europe, suggesting that the Dogon were influenced by European visitors before their mythology was recorded in the 1930s. If I were alone in picking on Temple's thesis, he might be able to argue a case for ad hominem persecution. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. Meanwhile the Dogon myths continue to baffle investigators. WebThe star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. Further, "The fact that the Dogon do not talk of another planet with rings beyond Saturn [i.e., Uranus, whose rings were discovered in 1977--and the rings of Jupiter weren't discovered until after Sagan's book was written, although they would have been clearly visible to any arriving extraterrestrial spacecraft] suggests to me that their informants were European, not extraterrestrial." sources for Temple's story. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? After being surprised that an astromomy association would, after all this time, bother to publish such an article, I did a web search and found that in 1997 Robert Temple published a second edition of the book that started it all TheSirius Mystery in which he addressed none of the main criticisms that had been directed against the first edition, published in 1976. In a response published in Fate magazine, he denied intending that: "I refer, entirely in passing, to the Greek word for siren and its similarity to the word for Sirius, drawing absolutely Several possibilities exist. good amount of discussion of Sirius in the scientific press in the '20s so McDaid, Liam. They all have one thing in common: enormous monsters. Although he was an anthropologist, Griaule was keenly interested in astronomy and had studied it in Paris. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. If a European In this weeks eSkeptic, Liam McDaid examines these claims. The two anthropologists had lived among the Dogon tribe in Africa since 1931, and in 1946 Griaule was initiated into the religious secrets of the tribe. The two anthropologists who first studied the Dogon (Griaule and Deiterlen) conducted their research in the 1930s. The good news is that two of the first five entries were from skeptical websites (CSICOP and Bob Carrolls Skeptics Dictionary). Although we can occasionally claim victory (are there any alchemists left? Review. Or, Griaule's account may reflect his own interests more than that of Temple sees the existence of Sirius C as a vindication of one of his claims, although it should be remembered that multiple star systems are common (like Alpha Centauri, with its three stars). G. Stein (Amherst, N.Y.: Prometheus Books, 1996), pp. Temple lists a number of astronomical beliefs held by the Dogon that Speculation about the Dogon on numerous websites is now mingled with fact, leading to wide misunderstanding among the public about Dogon mythology. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. One problem with this idea is that Sirius B has been a white dwarf for at least tens of thousands of years. Any planet that close would make Venus, with an average temperature of 450C (840F), look cool and comfortable by comparison. "Legends of the Dogon: belief in a long-solved extraterrestrial visitor tells earthmen about the undiscovered Martian moons. African Observers of the Universe: The Sirius Question. In, Ortiz de Montellano, Bernard R. 1996. The Dogon People Revisited.. In 1952, Young was one of nine people present during the first contact with the Council, an event initiated by Andrija Puharich, the man who brought Israeli spoonbender Uri Geller to America. Why would Europeans feel compelled that they needed to discuss astronomy with such a primitive tribe and why would this transfer of knowledge that only lasted 5 weeks have such an impact on the Dogan people that they would include it in their cultural practices? Temple has made very few verifiable assertions about mythology (and The Sirius Mystery is overwhelmingly about ancient myths, not about the Dogons or modern astronomy). It has a mass of 2.35 times the mass of the Sun. Ridpath asserts. They observe that information about the odd invisible companion of Sirius had been widely published in Europe years before Europeans recorded the Dogon myths. Finally, he asked me point-blank if I could point out any errors in it and partly out of politeness, partly to get rid of him, and partly because I had been able to read very little of the book so that the answer was true, I said I could not point out any errors. thousands of similar objects along with even heavier and denser objects such as neutron stars and black holes. Swift appears to have taken the idea of two close (although not necessarily small) moons of Mars from Voltaire's novel Micromegos in which an September 1976 saw WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. That in itself is extraordinary.". Afrocentrists, on the other hand, claimed that the Dogon could see extraterrestrials, the Nommos, some 5,000 years ago. A substantial bulk of The Sirius Mystery consists of comparative linguistic and mythological scholarship, pointing out resemblances among Dogon, Yoruba, Egyptian and Sumerian beliefs and symbols. To quote Ancient Mysteries: While Temple, following Griaule, assumes that to polo is the invisible star Sirius B, the Dogon themselves, as reported by Griaule, say something quite different. To quote the Dogon: When Digitaria (to polo) is close to Sirius, the latter becomes brighter; when it is at its most distant from Sirius, Digitaria gives off a twinkling effect, suggesting several stars to the observer. This description of a very visible effect causes James and Thorpe to wonder as anyone reading this should do whether to polo is therefore an ordinary star near Sirius, not an invisible companion, as Griaule and Temple suggest. History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. Sirius B was first observed in 1862, and had been predicted in 1844 on dynamic grounds. Try my free online Rune Readings! As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. Temples Greek and Arab myths and words are considered to a lesser extent. [7] Others, such as Marcel Griaule's daughter Genevive Calame-Griaule and an anthropologist, Luc de Heusch, came to criticize Van Beek's dismissal as "political" and riddled with "unchecked speculation", demonstrating a general ignorance of Dogon esoteric tradition. Dwarfs and Little Green Men". extraterrestrial visitors? The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. Of those websites, over 400 had been updated within the last three months. The parts that bear at least a superficial resemblance to astronomical facts are most likely trimmings added in this century. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? Ogotemmeli: An Introduction to Dogon Religious Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. characteristics. interpreter. To recapitulate: Griaule claimed to have been initiated into the secret mysteries of the male Dogon, during which they allegedly told him of Sirius (sigu tolo in their language) and its two invisible companions. The Sirius Mystery is a book written by Robert K. G. Temple (born Robert Kyle Grenville Temple in 1945) supporting the pseudoscientific[1] ancient astronauts hypothesis that intelligent extraterrestrial beings visited the Earth and made contact with humans in antiquity and prehistoric times. 2Q9-mV5F W4g?`Su#q6a]sdaGr*_70 ! ;`~RS)[email protected]|PF.(`VypT!]WM6'b//^FX[P\9:H37)DH,y|F(&Da]w o9-K?MR+z.R}7.ubqUIXVy~frF@". Webplanet earth. So where does this leave the mysteries of Sirius? The review was indeed consequently modified in parts where Temple explained portions of his book I may have misinterpreted. The book's advertising blurb quotes prolific science writer Isaac Asimov, who says, "I couldn't find any mistakes in this book. Given that the French stayed in their territory for five weeks and had several local guides, it would not be surprising if they shared some astronomical knowledge during that time. One of the problems the UFO crowd has is providing an answer to the question of where the aliens who visit us come from. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. There are no stable orbits around the less massive Sirius B which exceed three years. "It does not!" Here, then, is another datum to be investigated when it is possible." Noah Brosch explained in his book Sirius Matters that cultural transfer could have taken place between 19th century French astronomers and Dogon tribe members during the observations of the solar eclipse on 16 April 1893. Instead, he closed his response to my own article in 1979 with a brushoff: "In my view it is pointless to attack someone in print unless you can substantiate what you are saying. WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. 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