Just because youre paranoid doesnt mean that people ARENT watching! We take the VEPR 12 Shotgun out for a spin on the range. By Your previous content has been restored. The Vepr-12 lacks the standard AK side mounting rail, instead using a Picatinny rail incorporated into the dust cover for optic mounting. I just dont get that feeling of reliability like I do with the others. Cost the same as a base model AR or AK does. Copyright Pasadena Shooting Dentist. Next up is to polish it. The gun suffers from the same parallax issues that the Saiga had, since the sights are over an inch above the top of the barrel, and if youre spending this kind of money on a dedicated trap or skeet gun there are much better suited choices out there. My gas puc is right, but I'm glad my gas tube and spacing look OK because that is what I was worried about. If you dont like the stock, replace it with something else like you would do on an AR. We test the gun exactly as it comes from the factory. The second one I bought was at issue. I recommend factory springs. I keep my nose clean when 922R is concerned. But the form factor of the magazines limit your capacity, and are you really going to take the time to strap on extra shotgun magazines before checking on what that noise downstairs was? With all of this said, I realize that there can be many reasons why a gun will not run as advertised. With its fixed open port gas system, the Vepr-12 can effectively cycle a multitude of 12-gauge loads, making it a highly versatile semi-automatic shotgun. Its pretty much always the same malfunction. Sometimes price is included in the ratings, and usually it is in the discussion. It actually works and is much easier to use. Man, does that look awkward and ungainly. Classic Firearms just put these on sale for $799/shipped. Take advantage of our guide rod install service, available here:http://dissidentarms.com/index.php/product/da-recoil-rod-installation/, Works on all Saiga 12, 20, 410 and Vepr 12 shotguns, Abel Anthony Given that, it was easy to let the Saiga goguessing the Vepr wouldnt be much different. But a fun range gun with 20 round drums. Is the type of jam always the same (spent shell not being fully ejected, shell getting stuck on feed ramp, etc.). Go grab some decent buckshot and slugs and run about 20 or so through the gun to make sure it is broken in. Pasted as rich text. I heard an intruder in my house once and grabbed my Vaquero. Take advantage of our guide rod install service, available here: Recoil Guide Rod Assembly VEPR-12 Dissident Arms, http://dissidentarms.com/index.php/product/15-wolff-recoil-spring/, http://dissidentarms.com/index.php/product/da-recoil-rod-installation/. Ive seen them at atlantic firearms and classic firearms for $999. The fixes are about the same as the Saiga, but there is less need for friction work. Threaded barrel should not be an AWB problem for a shotgun as it is not on the shotgun evil feature list. For the most part all semi auto shotguns have their own quirks. 9mm Pistol, Federal District Court Judge Orders Illinois to Show Examples of Every Newly-Banned Firearm, Gun Review: Taylors & Company TC9 1873 SA Single Action Revolver, http://www.birminghampistol.com/?product=vepr-12-gauge-ak-style-shotgun-semi-auto-folder-stock-welded-open, https://gritrsports.com/shooting/firearms/rifles/ak-47-rifles/. The biggest magazines Ive seen fro the VEPR-12 are 12 round magazines, and those require compliance with that pesky Federal statute 922(r) before using them in your gun. [Get your minds out of the gutter], Theres an issue with aiming this gun, thanks to the parallax resulting from the sights being an inch above the top of the barrel. One, makes me not the least bit interested in any more reviews you personally write and second it makes me question the vetting process for reviewers/writers here at TTAG. Customization: * * * * As a result, the traditional way to keep a shotgun running has been a tube magazine running along the bottom of the barrel. So I suppose you ran your 3 gun AR bone stock with zero modifications then. Considering unconverted Saigas go for thatits a great deal. I can't speak for the Saiga as I have never used one, but I LOVE my Vepr. I also found another guy in Texas who ran a business with similar services although after trying to get in touch with him, it appears that he is currently experiencing medical issues and could not help me. It worked for me and now I have a smooth running gun that I'm proud to own. Let me know if theres anything else that would help. Ergonomics: * ** * Everything has passed very smoothly and after the order has been made in 2 days the parcel was sent out. The addition of a magazine well, another unusual feature for a Kalashnikov-pattern firearm, allows for "straight in" magazine insertion, as opposed to the "rock and lock" procedure required on standard AK rifles and the Saiga-12 shotgun. Its a shotgun, anything more than a brass bead and youre over thinking your shot. I purchased this gun for right at $1000 bucks. Dissident Arms designed our competitionguide rod assembly to correct inconsistent spring stacking, making for much smoother travel of the carrier during cycling. Later models included a fully functional folding stock. Then the bad news. Uh then I might suggest you not buy a Kimber 1911 frame in .45 and shoot flat front ball ammo. My stock v12 runs Winchester universal no problem. The VEPR-12 model features an ambidextrous safety, a reimagined magazine feeding mechanism . Bring the price down around $800 and well talk. Its much more convenient and a lot quicker to reload. Mine runs 2 3/4 Dram (Winchester AA). Maybe in time that will change. - YouTube BigDaddyHoffman1911 on the range with friends Jody showing and shooting the VEPR 12 Russian Shotguns. Others online claim that this fixed their cycling issues, but it did nothing for me. Might make sense, I had the VEPR on the same bench I was using the dremel on. VEPR 12 Shotgun Good or Bad? Seems all others I tried fail in comparison. The height over bore with a VEPR-12 or Saiga makes a bead not work well. reloads are quicker, movement is much more fluid, and the manual of arms is much more similar to the AR-15 rifle. Very easy to do. Modifications arent covered in reviews. The Vepr-12 is intended to be a direct competitor to the widely popular Saiga-12 shotgun already produced by Izhmash. I headed out to the range after re-installing everything and took three boxes of shells with me. No. I don't post too often on these sites, but I have had such horrible problems with my VEPR-12 and such subsequent fantastic results with it that I felt compelled to leave a post. When shouldering the Vepr, the ergonomics also help reduce recoil. So each category gets 4 stars but somehow the overall drops to 3 stars? I put all this on before even firing a single shot and then took her to the range. ak47-for-sale The problems I've seen with the VEPR 12 models is that some have either undersized gas ports (undergassed) or the extractors are not correct. Shannon also sent me a bottle of break-in lubrication and a set of cleaning tools back with my parts. The vast majority of VEPR12 shotguns work fine, it's just a couple percent which have been reported to be having these issues. For full power buckshot loads it runs flawlessly. Due to the large difference in size between the 7.6239mm cartridge and 12-gauge shells, the extractor port has been lengthened, allowing the shotgun to eject spent shells without risk of causing a stovepipe malfunction. Check out our video on the Russian Molot VEPR-12 and tell us what you think. But for home defense, I just grab the Vaquero or the Glock 21 or the Mossberg and I feel fine with that. Much like its cousin the Saiga-12, the Vepr-12 is ideal for clay shooting, with appropriate optics. for Vepr built-in. Let alone write a review without reading the freaking owners manual? Some SGM 10-12 rounders have had issues sticking because of some leftover material inside that needs to be smoothed out. I think the best point in this review is what do you use it for? Ive gone up and down and read all these idiotic comments on how the muzzle brake wont do anythingmy god, people on here are retards. The gun had no problems in cycling 00 buck in either 2- or 3-inch shells. Or alternatively, if the velocity is down, the weight has to go up. ! This versatile system is often erroneously characterized as a "self-regulating" gas system. I think for what it is not priced bad at all. If you want to shoot the lower end of the range, try one of the CSS springs. amen to that. Was imagining a jury looking at this tacticool monster AK 47 assault shotgun in the event I actually used it for home defense, the intruder gave me time to load the thing, it didnt jam, and I actually hit that at which I was aiming. Ergonomics Firing: * * * * Then take out the two screws that hold down the tang. Winchester Military Grade Buckshot. In particular, the shotgun has carved out a niche among IPSC competition shooters, one of the Vepr-12's target audiences. It turned out to be the gas ports in the gas block. Everybody who I have personally seen that had an s12 that ftfd didnt set the regulator correctly. I think shotguns are the best home defense weapon point it in the intruders general direction and youre likely to really ruin their day. 1200fps and up have had much more success than lighter loads and "low recoil" stuff. You can adjust, but shooting at different distances will be an issue. All had a velocity of approximately 1200 fps. Upload or insert images from URL. Early versions of the Vepr-12 were produced by Izhmash, with production moving to the Molot factory where the shotgun was redesigned and mass-produced. Model: VEPR 12 Short-Barreled Shotgun (SBS) Action: Magazine-fed, semi-automatic Caliber: 12 gauge, 3" chamber Length: 34" Barrel length: 12" Weight: 9.3 lbs Capacity: 5 or 8 (Standard) and higher (extended) MSRP: $1,699 ( The other variants carry a MSRP of $1,199) VEPR 12 Shotgun The only slugs I run now are the Brenneke. 3-gun competition? Like having a pistol that shoots .22, 9mm, .40, .45, and .357 magnum interchangeably. That skeleton stock is actually a left hand folding that has been pinned open due to 922r. The Vepr-12 is also chrome lined throughout, including the gas block, barrel, and chamber, affording the shotgun excellent corrosion resistance. For a purchase of 700 (on line all day long) and another, perhaps 100 or less, to make it 922(r) compliant, you cannot find a more reliable shot gun that can shoot assorted types of ammo without adjusting the gas. Their new loads are badass. I get what you saying. It has a collapsible Colt M4-style Magpul sliding stock. Shame on you TTAG. $699 classic firearms they cant keep them in stock tho sell out with in one two weeks and takes a second for em to get em again. The bolt release tab then protrudes out indicating you have a locked colt. Either it has sharp edges (you cut yourself or the gun grinds when using it) or it doesnt. A notch on the operating rod allows the user to hook the piston and pull it out to the rear for cleaning.[3]. I never done any real testing with it for overpenetration in an HD scenario, but it may overpenetrate. The VEPR has the standard Krebs adapter affixed. July 25, 2013 in Vepr-12, so im not sure if this is an actual problem or not as this (v12) is my first ak platform weapon of any kind. Have you disassembled your weapon at all? Overall the VEPR-12 is a dramatic improvement over the Saiga. It kicks like a freaking mule on steroids, but certainly does what it is supposed to. Finally, if stuff happened and it was confiscated, Id just buy anotherno drama. I get lots of help. Ive done similar things on my reviews. I couldnt tell you on the overpenetraion aspect, as most of their buckshot is the same across the board. Home defense, war, Armageddon is what its designed for. What exactly do you mean by a manual bolt hold open? This was one of the reasons I purchased the VEPR 12. Witness us get knocked around a bit by the power of this 12 gauge shotgun. But the question remains: is the gas piston supposed to have a little side to side play in it? Ignoring for a minute that its inside the trigger guard which is a huge safety concern to some people, the role reversal means that theres no easy way to lock the bolt open when the gun runs dry. mossberg-silver-reserve-for-sale 2. Hornady claims to use different powders in their defensive loads to minimise muzzle flash, so that is probably different. Yea its all been disassembled, cleaned, an reassembled properly. Early vepr molot import with the factory folder. Even with the availability of Saiga-12 and VEPR-12 shotguns, the pro 3-gun shooters still dont use them. Second if you want to shoot light loads you have to adjust the gas system and set it to pos. In doing so, we learn a lot about how the VEPR 12 feeds and ejects different types of ammo. These are getting hard to come by. Mine won't function with them either. There are other firearms with way more aftermarket parts available. u got stick out to them, no judge would give them cort order because they think your guns not complant The overall includes everything overall subjective opinion and shooting experience, price considerations, etc and is not simply an average of the limited preceding categories. best point this is ohio man was open carry a gun wich is leagle police detain him with out cause orther then the gun they found he can sue the state and police. Paste as plain text instead, The stamped steel receiver is reinforced, thicker (1.5mm instead of 1mm), and more heavily constructed than a standard Kalashnikov-pattern rifle. Bet this gun would be ideal for sasquatch hunting. First, your limited thinking cant come up with all the tactical and practical applications for a semi-auto shotgun that reloads quickly and easily? Your piston gets guided into position by the gas tube. See if the follower moves smoothly all the way down. Although the slide release is inside the trigger guard, you have to put your finger behind the trigger and push quite hard to release. | Disclaimer. Rating - 100%. The empty hull gets stuck halfway being pulled out, stovepipes basically. the issue has been had with numerous #6 shot and also random target loads, all 2 3/4"slugs and 00buck run flawlessly. It will retrofit into the existing recoil system by simply removing the the factory guide rod retainer pin, OEM rod, and then recapturing the new performance rod with the factory pin. Some have guns that will run 3 dr Eq without work, but most end up just buying 3 1/4 dr stuff. I might cut my house in half, but there is no way in hell anybody is leaving that place alive. Lets be honest, the importers arent sponsoring them. once they have reason they check all your guns, but u have do ack break the law make atf see u, But still, there are problems. No longer do you have to count your rounds and then muscle the new magazine into place with the bolt forward, it locks open just like an AR-15. Im hoping its just one of thise situations where it needs to be fired more. First, the Saiga and the VEPR are completely different guns. A jury would look at it and think I borrowed it from grandpa. Shannon seems like a straight shooting guy who is honest and easy to work with. I havent run birdshot through it yet so I cant comment on function with low brass loads. I keep a competition Beretta for skeet shooting and my mossberg 500 and Benelli m4 share the roll of home defense. So Second, see my comment right above yours. Well, it didn;t work that way for me. Factory last round bolt hold open. After the break in period it fires everything from cheap wallyworld birdshot up to slugs. Dew out of the air after it was fired by my can cannon, so I really need this resolved because I have serious uses for it like shooting two cans of dewy from the sky. Got myself a great rifle for less than 1 gran on top of few boxes of ammo! With the Vepr, I went through about 50 and didnt have a sore shoulder. Inconsistencies of the factory VEPR 12 & SAIGA 12 Guide Rod/Recoil Assembly are well known. While I get the point the 922r Law is stupid, stay safe and dont give them anything to hang you with. Friend lose things. From the reports I have seen, Most V12s need something like 3 1/8 Dram eq or hotter to run. Second, ITS NOT DESIGNED TO RUN LOW BRASS BULK BIRDSHOT. This is the best shotgun for the money, a lot easier to reload than filling a tube magazine. Hopefully Ill have a great running Vepr 12!!!! Also lubed the carrier rails on the receiver. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Spelling correction above when the bolt release tab is visible it indicates the bolt is locked back not that the bolt is closed. Message boards are awesome resources of knowledge. Why arent top 3 gun shooters using it? Then came the check the gas block and ports. Some of the first advice I got was to take out the bolt carrier, clean the factory grease and relube. Beads only work when mounted directly to the barrel and people honestly miss with them a lot. Ownership in Russia requires only a smoothbore-gun license. In case you look for improvement and tuning of your rifle i warmly suggest to consider this option. Toggle navigation. I also paid $630 for it during Firearmageddon last year. I keep my mini-Vulcan leaning on the wall next to my bed with two belt filled cans. I tried the new performance springs from CSS with no luck. firearmsshop produces the most quality armor products such as AK-47 AK-74,So you can click on the link below to place your order. Didnt want that to happen to a gun registered in my name. Comes standard on the CR-12 an KL-12. Full VEPR 12 walk through, ammo test and review. Im not a big fan of thin pieces of metal jutting out off a firearm, especially near my hand, and especially when Im going to fire slugs through it. Most importantly, read the manual before you fire any gun. Semi-auto AK-style shotguns arent new, and weve reviewed them before on the site. I rarely loan money to friends unless I have no intention of ever having it paid back. I rapid fired, as well as took my time between shots. So what if it is made in the USA? Chinese products were not taken into account as in the past already had some issues with them. This is quite obviously no better than a brick for home defense. First off the S12 was designed for heavy brass. Special thanks to evlblkwpnz and 505Firefor their help. You are all CRAZY. When running low brass and target loads, every single round would essentially "stovepipe" and the next round would not cycle. To facilitate rapid reloading of the shotgun, a bolt release lever is located inside the trigger guard, allowing the user to release the bolt without breaking grip.[2]. They need some help with smoothing and polishing parts inside and such. Learn how your comment data is processed. I hope my previous comment doesnt seem anti-2nd. Other places I looked at wanted $1000-1200 for a new unconverted Saiga. Rio 12-Gauge 2-3/4 00-Buck Bulk Shotgun Shells with Dry-Storage Box Had some MD 20 round drums and standard factory 5 rounds. In the same area is the bolt release. But Im not volunteering to be the test case. How much does a shotgun with that thing on it weigh, fully loaded? They included that button on the bottom of the receiver it is in front of the trigger this allows you to lock the bolt without an inserted magazine. 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