The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bulletsjust faster. Almost overnight the seven em em was on the lips of American hunters. Alabusa Learning. I have one on a 26" proof barrel. &mm PRC. Nosler AccuBond Long Range. Never saw the need for the added horse power of the 7 STW so I sold it and stayed with the 7 mm Rem Mag. Varme Hansker for Sykling, Lping og Kjring, Stor kapasitet skulderveskeKjp 2, -10%, 18-i-1 snfnuggformet multiverkty i rustfritt stl, Bilkropp plastnagler festing (150 stk)Kjp 2, -10%. That results in performance like this: Whoa grandma! He's loading the 195's to something like 3.730" COAL, well past SAAMI specs. Or just step up to the 7 SAUM and run 180s if you want more weight. Mag. I love my 7 SAUM and would do it again. Minuteman. $89.95. Minuteman. I was tired of lugging the heavy, long, and heavy recoiling 30s around, but wanted more punch than my lighter 6.5CM. As mentioned above, one of the nice things about the 7RM is factory ammo is plentiful and fairly inexpensive. . Before this barrel I had a 7 SAUM and I wasn't happy with how it fed from the DTA magazines. Compared to the ballistics of the new Rem. It only makes sense, case with 8gr less capacity out running the bigger case, it's because of pressure, and lots of it. 224 Valkyrie. Either way a shorter fat case will be better With a shorter barrel. Short, light barrels just dont do justice to high temperature, high velocity, high pressure, overbore magnum cartridges. The additional reach is tempting, but Id pay the price with a 26-inch, fairly heavy barrel. Neither caught on, but American shooters were certainly beginning to recognize the potential for 7mm cartridges. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Note: A full length article about the 7mm WSM and 7mm Rem. The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bulletsjust faster. The factory offerings for ammo hold no weight with me, but that probably plays a role in many people's decisions. Now lets check out the 7mm RUM. without laser assistance. Buy Now. Meanwhile, over in Africa a Scottish commercial ivory hunter named Bell was making the little 7x57mm famous as a BIG big game round by dropping some 800 elephants with it. And heres the same 175-gr. I'd opt for the 7RM. Creedmoor Sports $ 116.95 . Ive got the same dilemma. I'm the same as you. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. Saw some shiney spots, no bolt lift but did open the pocket a little to the point of a few firings at 3120 fps. IMR 4350 was the most accurate powder tested. Medium slow burning rifle powders are most appropriate for both of these cartridges. needing 1.3 mils for a 10 mph full value wind. 7mm RemMag. Additionally you can tune your load so accuracy difference go out the window. I can't tell you how many cartridge choices I've settled on, only to change my mind again and again. Im sure Remington engineers started with the .300 H&H case, but it was itself a modification of the .375, so same difference. Mag., 7mm RUM, 28 Nosler,) you dont need a 7 PRC. Full Member. I think if I was buying a hunting rifle, and just wanted to keep a few high quality boxes of factory ammo around, the I would go 7Rm. Those are some impressive numbers. 7mm brass is simple to find and the caliber is an absolute hammer on deer/elk. With a 28" I got 2950~2975 with a 195 and 3150 with a 180. If you want 7mm magnum performance, youll have to change tires (barrels) now and then. The 28 Nosler is in the 7mm Rifle Ammo family. 28 Nosler offers excellent performance but brass is spendy and availability is hit or miss . Running 8twist Proof 168s run flat, 5.2mils the other morning at 912y. I used to shoot 154gr hornady interbonds at 3750 and latest was not to push over 3400. Run 230-240 freebore this will work for 180eldm, 184, 190,195 Bergers. In the past, running 284 Win (reaching back to Raton, 2013), I would have said that (for me at least) a rechamber would be in order for a straight 284 around the 2000 round mark. Were I seeking the absolute top-end, extreme-range performance and willing to carry a 28 inches of barrel, Id look harder at the RUM. 7RM!! What was your 28 Nosler load with 180s at 3080? The .28 Nosler of 2015 was their solution. And the accuracy with both powders was great as well. And with RL33 hes getting 3140 fps (pretty easily), using Retumbo (for it's temp stability) drops it about 75 fps. Creedmoor Sports $ 86.95 . No more than 7-pounds finished and field ready. I have a 7 LRM in a DTA, I've been pretty happy with it. Engineers made three modifications that ensured popularity: they shortened the case to fit standard-length actions. When I add this up, I default to the 7mm Rem. Had same dilemma, went with 7RM because even during the great Obama ammo shortage you could always find 7RM ammo. And it will likely penetrate farther because more of its mass rides in the long shank behind its nose. 7 saum 7 rem mag 7 ultra mag 28 nosler The 284 and 280 appeal to me for lower cost (components and barrel life), but they are the slowest. 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Like you said though, it's pretty tough to go wrong. You want 98.2 grains water capacity behind a seated 175-grain bullet? rifles. For Connaught we moved to 7mm SAUMs and in preparation of going to that FCWC I got . Buy Now. (Aim for center and bullet will not rise more than 5 inches nor fall more than 5 inches within the MPBR. For really light and a short action if you reload 7 saum. YMMV . I would not be overly concerned with it only being for hunting. for their 7mm SAUM with a 140 grain bullet. It went on to prove itself as a grand all-round big game cartridge, becoming the most popular, most recognized 7mm magnum around the world. FWIW, the LRM setup that I have on the way was ordered with 16x-class projectiles in mind. If its a hunting rifle does it really matter? Regardless what rifle cartridges were initially designed for, they can be perfect for other applications, which suggests the 7mm PRC could be your next do-all big game hunting cartridge. landed with a splash big enough to drench every deer/elk cartridge in North America. Elk, moose, kudu and similar large . 22 Nosler. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. Recreational and practical applications abound with these .22 caliber handguns. I just did a 7mm build too. And at sensible hunting distances even a basic MPBR hunter should have find more than 90 percent of his shooting opportunities covered by the Rem Mag. But if you suspect a 26-inch barrel might be a bit unwieldy, waitll you haul around a 28-inch. Mag. load hitting 2,970 fps and a 28 Nosler hitting 3211fps with the same bullet. The structure of the material reveals the hardness. Mag. Barrel life will also be lower than the other two. Creedmoor Sports $ 120.95 . A barrel shot out for target competition might remain more than accurate enough for big game hunting. I have a variety of options on this, as I am planning to do this on a DTA, for which I have both .535 and .585 bolts, and the DTA mags are pretty generous in regard to OAL. The load is easy on brass and accuracy is excellent, Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 280 Remington Ackley Improved 40-Degree, Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Mag Box. Its designed to send long, sleek, high B.C. I feel I could easily shoot 180s at the same speed, and the 190s close to it. Nosler really hampered the performance of that round with the 3.340" COAL length. Furthest down, around the primer pocket, the brass should be firm. This is a long-range dream cartridge for sure. In 2001 Remington looked to the old .404 Jeffery case for its ultra-speedy 7mm. $120.95. My 28 will not blow the door of the 7 MAX which is why I did not rechamber a 28, I want more accurate load life and no chasing lands around for only a little gain on the very end of trajectory. His bolt-action rifle was chambered for the confusing .275 Rigby. Reloading data published in the fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide for the 7mm Rem. Muzzle energy means the energy of the bullet at the time of leaving the gun. The maximum load for that bullet is 61.5 grains of H4350 powder, which yields a MV of 3133 fps at a chamber pressure of 61,900 psi. Mag. Just picked up a tikka for a donor build for a lightweight 6.5 PRC or 7mm SAUM. #7mm #longrangeshooting #extremelongrange Crap I don't remember, I'd have to pull a bullet, I've ran H1000, Retumbo and lots of R33, that load was H1000 but I only have the speed in AB. The 7mm Precision Rifle Cartridge is a long-action centerfire rifle cartridge designed to shoot 180 grain bullets at 2,950 fps. You are using an out of date browser. I dont reload but i see this statement a lot. . I am very pleased I am shooting retumbo using adg brass which is excellent brass highly recommend, shooting 165 Gamechanger at 3075, 180 Berger right at 3000. RDF, or Bergers 190-gr. You are using an out of date browser. loads beautifully, delivering them sub-MOA out to 1,500 yards, then a mile just to say I did it. The extra heat required to reach hyper speed eats away at barrel throats rather quickly. SAUM can be found on the Rifle Cartridge Page. Instead they seem to be shooting for the ideal balance among MV, tolerable recoil, wind deflection, and precision accuracy. Great case design, great bc bullets available, more efficient powder burn than most 7mm cartridges, low recoil, and very very accurate. at the muzzle. While testing some upgraded M700 Remington rifles at FTW Ranch last summer, I simultaneously test drove the pre-release 7mm PRC from Hornady. It's no surprise then that the 7mm Weatherby held the title "World's Fastest 7mm" until the 28 Nosler appeared. Like all 7mms, they can fire bullets as light as 100-grains and as heavy as 180-grains. If you compare Nosler .280 AI brass vs. Nosler 7SAUM brass, you get twice the cases (50) with the .280 AI for only $10 more than what it costs for 25 cases of 7mm SAUM. Here are some specifications of interest to those reloading the 7mm SAUM cartridge: bullet diameter .284", maximum COL 2.825", maximum case length 2.035". I'm currently hunting with a 7rm shooting 168 Berger vlds at 3000 fps. Trustpilot. JavaScript is disabled. I like the 6.5 PRC because I think ammo/brass will have more staying power where the 7mm SAUM is all but obsolete (don't stone me for that). Dies, brass etc are way easier to find for the PRC. All of the figures from both companies were developed in 24 inch test barrels. And most of the recent data for the rum is also on the weak side. Recoil with a brake should be not bad at all even with the light rifle. But if you want to win long range target competitions, the 7 PRC is your best bet. So how do you choose among these three? Definitely go 26" on the barrel. The 28 Nosler is also loaded to a slightly higher pressure than the 300 Win Mag (65,000psi vs 64,000psi). Great extraction and wide nodes with many powders. You must log in or register to reply here. Qty: Add to cart. Although, the 28 Nosler is an awesome cartridge. Trustpilot. Buy Now. Just FYI before going 7-330NM, check out Long Range Hunting, there is a real long thread on there about the 28 Nosler with the 195 Bergers, just google it. You might think Remington started the 7mm cartridge trend in 1962 with its famous 7mm Remington Magnum, but by then the 7mm Mauser was already well known. .672., MV 2,900 fps. Less well known in the U.S. (but more ballistically advanced) was the 7mm Weatherby Magnum from the early 1940s. The 7mm advantage comes from relatively high BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets in popular weights commonly used for hunting horned and antlered game. After all the smoke and toasted barrels cleared, I came to my own conclusion that the 7-300 win mag was the winner when all aspects are considered. Will the 156 take down an elk, sure but I would prefer to have a .284 caliber in a biased opinion. Nonetheless, it's nice to have options Having so many options these days is a double edged sword. Copyright 2004, 2013 by Chuck Hawks. The 7mm Remington Mag generates significant recoil of 22.15 ft-lbs at 13.32 fps. Unless you are shooting the 180's at long range, the 7 Rem is enough gun. The sample Hornady 180-gr. In 1962 the 7mm Rem. Trustpilot. Everyone who knows what they're doing headspaces off of the shoulder anyways, and you should not be doing load development with virgin cases, you want to fire form them first so the belt is a moot point. Brass 1 - 12 of 73 Products Sort By Position 220 Swift Premium Brass (50ct) $108.95 6.5mm PRC Bulk Unprepped Brass (100ct) Out of stock $135.49 6.5mm PRC Premium Brass (50ct) Out of stock $118.95 27 Nosler Premium Brass (25ct) $81.95. Hodgdon reloading data for the 7mm WSM shows that the 140 grain Nosler Partition spitzer bullet can be driven to a MV of 2979 fps in front of 58.0 grains of H4350 powder. Bullet made it in about 3" an blew a big hole in it. Versitile and with the right twist rate can really launch some High BC pills out there. for my brand of hunting. Pretty sure the can thing is a complete game changer on optimal barrel length. We ain't raisen no yuppy girls! For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. So far on order, The Sherman requires case prep and fire forming which is rounds off of your barrel life unless you buy a hydroforming die $$$$$, Caliber = internal diameter of a barrel bore, outside diameter of a bullet. Lets compare three cartridges that do that; the old 7mm Rem. And in the chambers of their rifles. 7 saum and 7 rem mag seem like good compromises. Jan 1, 2018 2,001 4,006 51 Muscle Shoals, Alabama. This is not a rifle you want to weave through dog-hair timber. Now waiting on ADG to do another run of 7 SAUM brass. ammo. I think the 7saum is here to stay. That's what I would do unless you have to have something much faster. ADG 28 Nosler. Handloaders can take advantage of all these, but most commercial ammunition features 120-grain to 178-grain bullets. Should be 7.5lbs scoped or so. Check out the 10 mph right-angle wind deflection at 400 yards: just 7.82 inches. This calls for a light rifle. Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr Clearly the 7mm Rem. Id be set for all North American game plus African plains game right up to 1,800-pound eland. Metallic Reloading Rifle Brass Rifle Brass Rifle brass is made for almost every conceivable cartridge, from 223 brass and 308 brass to older offerings like 30-40 Krag brass and even one of the newest, 6.5 Creedmoor brass. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. Published Nov 25, 2019 7:53 PM EST. For reasons that I can't explain (though perhaps have something to do with me eating paint chips as a kid), I have an obsession with 3k FPS muzzle velocity. These bullets are super tempting to run at 3200+. I wouldn't do either in a 24" , I would definitely go 26" at a minimum. Well, i was leaning towards the 28 Nosler, but now I'm seriously considering the 7mm RM. ADG 300 Rem Ultra Mag Brass. Another indicates 74-grains of Hodgdon 870 will churn up 2,954 fps. Full Member. The 28 isn't blowing the doors of the MAX. These are some impressive numbers. Heres what a trajectory table looks like for the 180-gr. That was the 7x57mm re-branded for the non-metric British Rigby rifle. and if you cant draw any tags, youd got a target rifle to tide you over. make ideal whitetail and mule deer takers with 140-to 160-grain bullets. Instead, the Hornady-developed RCM case was used to produce the 6.5 PRC. Because the 7mm RM is a familiar benchmark, lets establish some basic performance numbers in an 8 pound rifle with 24-inch barrel spitting a representative spire point, boat tail, 175-grain hunting bullet, B.C. Reactions: Zeroit. Clear winner. But if your wanting the long action anyway, I'd go with the 280ai. Now lets compare this to our other two 7mm candidates. Thanks. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Howdy. This is Not a New Thing. I run the Berger 180 hybrids at 2900 in my 280 ackley with no pressure signs. The 28 Nosler has a muzzle energy of 3470 ft-lbs, and the 30 Nosler has muzzle energy at 3639 ft-lbs. Mag. 28 nosler is a great choice for the heavies mine is throated for the 195 eols but im gonna try the 190 atips soon. ELD-Match ammo I shot at FTW was rated 2,975 fps on the box. I go back and forth in my head 1000 times on choices, then I will decide on what I know that I want, then I'll see something else and go back to the drawing board. $120.95. Qty: Add to cart . load hitting 2,970 fps and a 28 Nosler hitting 3211fps with the same bullet. The .308 just has to be quite a bit heavier. The difference might surprise you. Fill this brass case with smokeless powder instead of water and, according to some handloading guides, 62.5 grains of Reloder 22 should shove a 175-grain bullet from a 24-inch barrel 2,870 fps. include more options in rifles and ammo, more accessible and less expensive ammo, less recoil, a potentially shorter, handier, lighter rifle, and longer barrel life. Still, recoil is lower and ammo/components are cheaper and easier to find. Interesting. Straight on shot into chest between the legs at about 50 yds. My conclusion: if you already own any 7mm magnum for hunting, (7mm WSM, 7mm SAUM, 7mm RM, 7mm LRM, 7mm STW, 7mm Wby. As you might guess, there isnt much trajectory/performance difference between the RUM and the Nosler. Reloading the 28 is also not inexpensive. at the muzzle. I neither believe in this minimum nor in shooting elk at 700 yards, but this is impressive performance for a standard-length cartridge nearing its 60th birthday. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Another vote for 7 rem mag. You could beat it by loading that same bullet in the 28 Nosler, but youre still facing the barrel burn out issue. Mag. ADG 300 PRC Brass. If you go the Nosler route, look into the freebore for the barrel. However, if youre hoping to win a target shooting contest at 600 yards, the 3 inches less wind deflection and 4 inches less drop from the PRC give you a leg up. Bonus benefits with the 7mm Rem. Of course, this was an overreaction, but at the time millions were convinced the new 7mm was the do-all-end-all of deer/elk/moose and even bear hunting cartridges. 28 has an edge over 7RM on range and power, but as others have stated 7RM already has. Following since I want to do the exact same thing. 7 RUM Choose an option 6.5 PRC 6.5 SAUM 7 SAUM 7 REM MAG 7 RUM 28 NOSLER 300 WIN MAG 300 NORMA MAG 300 PRC 300 RUM 30 NOSLER 338 LAPUA 338 RUM 338 EDGE 300 WSM 375 RUM 7 REM MAG BRIGHT 338 RUM BRIGHT 30 NOSLER BRIGHT. In older reloading books for the 7 rum is its hauling a$$ compared current data. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. Its likely to be as popular in the 21st century as the Rem Mag was in the 20th. bullet have what it takes for hunting anything short of dangerous game. from all the adds for the nosler 28, they have the data on the 7 rum dumber down to make them look better. Mag. If you reload ,other than initial brass price, the cost is nearly identical. The 28 Nosler uses .284 diameter bullets while the 300 Win Mag uses larger .308 bullets. The Hodgdon technicians used Winchester cases and primers to develop their loads, and they were chronographed in a 24 inch barrel. Mag., the new .28 Nosler, and the over-the-top 7mm RUMa shoot-off to find the best, By Mid-size 7mm cartridges like 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Rem., 284 Win., and 280 Rem. One of the draws to the 7 SAUM is the availability of high-quality brass through companies like Norma and ADG. The completed case holds 90 grains of water with our 175-grain boattail spire point bullet seated. Just to add another fly in the ointment, but another 7mm to consider, is the 7mm Blaser Mag. ADG 300 Norma Magnum Brass. Mag. Mine shoots factory 160 class ammo at 1/2 MOA (5 & 10 shot groups) in the mid 2900s with SD in the mid teens. My vote would be 7RM as well. Cartridge: 7 RUM. 7rm for me. There are now at least 14 7mm cartridges being manufactured in the U.S. with several wildcats waiting in the wings. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. SAUM can be found on the . All the info in that thread made my decision for me. Using new brass, like Lapua brass, when reloading allows you complete control over the finished cartridge. bullets, but not the longest and certainly not such long numbers as Hornadys 180-gr. They explain in part the enduring popularity of the 7mm Rem. ADG 338 Remington Ultra Mag Brass. So Im going through this same thing Are you wanting to run a shorter barrel? Im going to run the 7 Saum Im thinking. I set my dies to headspace off the shoulder and forget about the belt. The LRM feeds perfectly, much better than the SAUM. He is having adg make brass for him, its head stamped and the neck diameter and length are correct for his design, will still need to be fire formed. Mine is a 26" 1-9 twist non saami 280 ackley. Remington and Winchester went to short, fat, unbelted cases for their latest 7mm magnums, the 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum and the Winchester Short Magnum. I wish there was more 7SAUM options, I feel there's a gap in the market. Handloaders can find .284" bullets (the diameter that all 7mm cartridges digest) as light as 100 grains, perfect for pasture rodents, coyotes, and even deer. Considering the production by Hornady of 6.5 GAP 4S cases, the next logical step appeared to be ammunition coming off the line in Grand Island, Nebraska. Categories Just $1 per month , The old 7mm Rem. The best part is that the recoil is super easy compared to a 300. Once you get some freebore to seat the long, heavy bullets out, it really shines. Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made. With a 160 grain bullet the Remington figures are 2960 fps and 3112 ft. lbs. It will never be as popular as a 6.5PRC or 28nosler, but it has a purpose. Trustpilot. Assuming that would be as illogical as assuming the 30-06 Springfield, 308 Winchester, and 223 Remington are strictly military cartridges. I have a 28 nosler, and love it, but I wanted the extra 200 FPS from hand . haha The good part is it's kinda hard to go wrong these days being there are so many great choices. Copyright Ron Spomer Outdoors document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) Consider that already own a 270 Win with a 22" barrel. Since this rifle will be used sparingly maybe I can afford to go with something a little harder on the barrel. Then Remington blew the doors wide open with their new 7mm magnum chambered in their equally new and affordable M700 rifles. That's how gun control works.". I also kicked around the idea of 7max, but can always go that route later. More significant are the chamber dimensions, which are tighter than those of most traditional, 20th century hunting cartridges. Have a 6.5 PRC and currently building a 7 SAUM. Thanks, BnG. 8tw 195 or maybe the new 190 atips. I'm pushing the 175 eldx at 3005 fps, with excellent case life (10+ reloads). With 165gr bullets the 300 has a fair amount of recoil with a 150gr it feels more like a 30/06. I like off the shelf ammo and its 7 mag, 28 Nosler, 7mm-08 and the 280. It had impressed its power upon our troops in Cuba under fire from Spanish Mausers in 1898. The rim of the RUM was already rebated to fit a .534-inch bolt face. The 28N is very similar to the 7 STW. I have hunted with a 7mm Rem Mag and a 7mmSTW. and instead recommends the 30-28 nosler, 300 norma and improved, and 300 PRC stating that each has 75% less throat erosion than the 28 nosler and with essentially identical ballistics. Almost through fire forming but ran some pressure ladders with fully formed brass with 180 Berger hybrids, H1000 looks like I'll be at a good max at 3000 fps and R26 3050 fps and I good life. This just-released (October 26, 2022) cartridge has the potential to become the 7mm Remington Magnum of the 21st century. A major part of that depends on rifling twist. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Just FYI before going 7-330NM, check out Long Range Hunting, there is a real long thread on there about the 28 Nosler with the 195 Bergers, just google it. I love 7mm, just wish it would modernize a bit. High-velocity cartridges are high velocity for a reason. They are all throwing the same bullets more than hard and fast enough for anything. Trustpilot. We use cookies to make your experience better. If the muzzle energy is higher, it will leave the bullet with higher energy. Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 280 Remington Ackley Improved 40-Degree Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Mag Box N N2TRKYS Well-Known Member Joined Good luck in your search, hope youll be as happy as I am with my results. Trustpilot. The only advantage I'd see with the SAUM is using a short action. If you want a shorter barrel, look into the 7 SAUM, 7 RM and even the 7-08 , they'll all get it done nicely. Case has a good balance of capacity for the bullets I tested (180'd and 195's) Plenty of usable powder options. Winchester claims a muzzle velocity (MV) of 3,225 fps with a 140 grain bullet for their 7mm WSM cartridge; the claimed muzzle energy (ME) is 3,233 ft. lbs. Again, both seen like great options but I want this to be a hunting rig, as I've got a rifle for shooting steel. First, thanks to OP for starting this Thread and to everyone for posting. Links to technical data and drawings for the newly SAAMI accepted Cartridge and Chamber designs not yet included in SAAMI Standards are listed below. Absolutely nothing special or difficult about reloading belted cases. ADG 6.5 SAUM Brass. Most people are getting sub half moa. It does have a dark side, though. Ron Spomer ADG 7mm Rem Ultra Mag Brass. The 404 Jeffery sired the majority of Nosler's cartridge line, namely the 30 Nosler, 26 Nosler, and 33 Nosler as well as other cartridges like the 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum (SAUM). Nosler brass also undergoes the rigorous quality control that premium Nosler bullets have experienced for over 60 years. Retumbo. Foot of the Big Belt Mountains near Townsend MT. Kind of soured me on light bullet's. It slightly exceeds the ballistic performance of the short-action 7mm SAUM on the right. Hornadys 7mm PRC with its high B.C. 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