"Even if I hit you, it won't hurt," Maddux the sound guy said to the NL MVP. Matter of fact, he traveled to New York in 1992 with designs on signing with the team that twice defeated them in the World Series. On May 17, 1988, Greg Maddux threw 10 shutout innings at Wrigley Field against the St. Louis Cardinals. He was a special player, the pitcher said in June. I mean, the conversations with Zim were usually just to kill time to get the bullpen ready, he said. He released his first book, Volume I of A Complete History of the Major League Baseball Playoffs, in October of 2021. But it still managed to end up in the basket. A popular meme says that out of the 20,421 batters Maddux faced in his career, only 310 saw a 30 count and 177 were intentional walks. Most hitters will take that strike, Maddux said. I'd rather make a good pitch and give up a bloop single than make a bad pitch and get an out. $40.00. I guess I'll have to get a second job., I would love to try to win another game. " People judge too much by results. "The best pitchers have a short term memory and a bullet proof confidence.". That's what pitchers have to do to win games". and our So mind-blowing, in fact, that it seems too good to be true. at There is no special food or anything like that, I just try to make quality pitches and try to be prepared each time I go out there., What has benefited me the most is learning I can't control what happens outside of my pitching.. There were a couple times when Id be talking to a pitcher and Id come back in the dugout and some of my fellow coaches would say, We know youre throwing first-pitch slider, or something like that. Now a member of the Atlanta Braves, Maddux was on the verge of tying a major-league record with his 16th consecutive road victory. Maddux was coming off the final year of his run with the Cubs in 92, in which he won his first Cy Young Award. Maddux relied on a sinker, circle changeup, cutter, and two- and four-seam fastball during his 23-year career. 5. They know hitters caught up on the lip reading. Thats mostly true. But in this case, the Cardinals pitchers led by John Tudor matched him and the game was scoreless going into the 11th. They didnt have the technology they have now, Hudler said. Eddie Perez, who was usually his assigned catcher, caught the pitch. Yes, Maddux recalls the Game 1 performance in which Clark went 4 for 4 with six RBIs. Later, when they were teammates, Justice asked Maddux why he did that. Evan Thompson is a member of the Roland Hemond (AZ) Chapter of the Society for American Baseball Research (SABR). I only know one way to pitch. It is, Jim Harbaugh offered a comment recently on the interest he and others have received from NFL teams. Rick Sutcliffe, who is Madduxs longtime friend and ex-teammate with the Cubs, once toldStark that one of the reasons Maddux started covering his conversations was because, Greg was a guy who used some profanity from time to time. It's about winning. To me, that was what I got the biggest kick out of being prepared to maybe steal four or five pitches a game. And I thought Id cut myself short about four inches, so I gave myself a little bit more of the inside corner.. I will be back. Now, you will ask, what is the lesson to take from that? When (Pride) was with Montreal, he could read the lips from the dugout if pitchers didnt cover their mouths. One split for pitchers is Count/Balls-Strikes. This shows opposing batter stats in situations that can be grouped into three categories: plate appearances that ended on a certain count, plate appearances that go beyond a certain count, and plate appearances with certain miscellaneous characteristics. I care about more than results. Fittingly, as of 2019, Greg Maddux has the most career Madduxes with 13, since 1988 when accurate pitch counts were tracked. It came with all the typical notes of such a moment: A crowd. Think about it: Its a big moment, bases loaded maybe, game on the line maybe, and he throws a pitch exactly where he wants it, one that buckles the hitter, one that sends the crowd into a frenzy, a pitch that may or may not be one inch off the plate. This is second-level stuff, right? That was a single. You might think Maddux could have written a textbook in pitching efficiency that day, but actually, the game was probably moving too quick. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. It's about winning. Me, I try to locate better. $499.99. In the other 19, the batter put the ball in play. In this installment of Baseball Mythbusters, we will look at Greg Maddux and the 30 count. He was terrific in Des Moines, but was even worse when they called him back. Maddux gives an example: Lets say he faces a batter early in the game and gets him out on the first pitch. The internet was not a thing when Maddux won the Cy Young Award for four years in a row. And I cant help but think that Madduxs pitching had that sort of hypnotic effect on umpires. It could very well be only 153, it could actually be 173, but it wasnt 177. I dont do it anymore. Theres a legend that once when he was with the Cubs, Maddux just started screaming at Atlantas David Justice for no apparent reason. World Series Baseball Former Atlanta Braves pitcher Greg Maddux throws out the ceremonial first pitch before Game 5 of baseball's World Series between the Houston Astros and the Atlanta Braves. And it worked.. Whether or not Maddux actually received an official offer from the Yankees, it's a tantalizing hypothetical for Yankees fans. My stuff was all right, but it's not about pitching good. Only Warren Spahn (363 wins) had more wins than Maddux (355) during that era. The Athletics Alec Lewis, Rustin Dodd, Chad Jennings, C. Trent Rosecrans and Zach Buchanan contributed to this report, (Top Image: John Bradford / The Athletic; Photos: David Madison, Ronald Martinez / Getty Images). To demonstrate, Hudler silently said the word fastball, but his lips left no doubt. What is it that pitching coaches always say? Before signing with the Atlanta Braves prior to the 1993 season, his lowest walk rate for a season was 6.2% (1991). It would be nice to win, too., I don't care if we're out of it or not, if I've got a chance to pitch, I want to., My stuff was all right, but it's not about pitching good. It's an 89 MPH sinker, and you won't even swing at it." -Greg Maddux : r/baseballcards "No need to steal the sign. Let me give you a little heads up to all of this stuff, OK? he said. I expect to be back. No, he wanted to do them because he thought it was fun and silly and, anyway, he didnt want to wreck the show. The hypnotist called a dozen or so people up on the stage, including a friend of mine, and then proceeded to hypnotize them and have them do various absurd but harmless things act like a chicken, sing a song out loud, etc. That's what pitchers have to do to win games. Then the legend of lip-reading spread by word of mouth. Nit-picky? Wet grass is slippery -- Greg Maddux, I don't believe for one second that the eye surgery has helped me on the mound -- Greg Maddux, You're not going to win by automatically going out there. 39 - Greg Maddux was ranked thirty-ninth by The Sporting News when they released their list of the 100 Greatest Baseball Players in the history of baseball. After retiring, Maddux is almost assured a spot in the Hall of Fame. We cant know for sure how many of the 1986-87 hitters faced a 30 count, but chances are good that the percentage is greater than or equal to his subsequent seasons in Chicago. Cookie Notice [Codify] Most MLB seasons stealing at least one base without being caught at all? The ball was there for us!. As mentioned earlier, it is impossible to know. Maddux said on David Cone's Toeing the Slab podcast, advanced a slightly different version of events, According to Bill Madden of the New York Daily News, Unsigned FA Jurickson Profar to play in WBC, Orioles, Pirates play final half-inning without umpires, MLB hires three to ramp up 'local media' department, Report: Padres sign Rougned Odor to minor-league deal, 10 MLB positional battles ahead of Opening Day, How the Dodgers can replace Gavin Lux after injury, Maddux says he planned on signing with Yankees in 1992, Dodgers SS Gavin Lux tears ACL, will miss entire season. Something I missed out on was witnessing the greatness of Greg Maddux pitch a baseball. 2004-2023 CBS Interactive. I just throw my fastball (to) both sides of the plate and change speed every now and then. You can always do more of what you are doing well and try to be as consistent as you can be. -- Greg Maddux, When people say (nice) things you take them as compliments and it's nice, but it won't help you win your next game. The best part of pitching was that you got to hit and, if you got a hit, well, that was the best part. I mean, you start thinking about the number of pitches you throw in a game and work backward to eliminate the small handful of pitches that end up beating you mind-blowing. One former GM responded to the emailed question immediately to say it was the classic Giants-Cubs in the 1989 NLCS but he recalled the big lip-reading moment as being Clark vs. Les Lancaster. The breezy back-and-forth lasted all of one batter, a strikeout, but it had the air of a baseball document being declassified. Sometimes hitters can pick up differences in spin. But Im not overconfident., And on May 11, he pitched the best game of his life a 10-inning, three-hit shutout against the Padres. It was his fundamentals, his mechanics putting him in position, but it was also because he put in the work to be excellent at a thing a lot of pitchers don't care about at all. It's about winning. Wet grass is slippery, I don't believe for one second that the eye surgery has helped me on the mound. And yet again, he felt better about himself. Each pitch in his mind was measured not so much by movement and location as by conviction. I try to keep as simple as possible. Nobody could tell. This Nike commercial featuring the two Baseball Hall of Fame pitchers, St. Louis Cardinals slugger Mark McGwire and actress Heather Locklear was incredible when it was first released in 1999 . Key was no Maddux, but he won 35 games over his first two seasons in the Bronx and . Maddux was a maestro 82 pitches, 62 strikes, two strikeouts, no walks, a ground-ball symphony. At the least, he said, pitchers adapted when Maddux started covering his mouth, even if the precise original motivation was unclear. Yeah, you read that right. Maddux left that game disgusted with himself. It's an 89 MPH sinker, and you won't even swing at it." -Greg Maddux 290 Baseball Sports 23 comments Add a Comment boredlawyer90 The true GOAT. Like most legends, Maddux has really awesome statistics that are worth sharing. Many see 30 count and notice that there are 312 plate appearances (PA) something the original meme creator might have rounded down to 310. Some dont. The Seahawks have had a winning season in 10 of the last 11 years. Instead of doing 5 good pitches an inning, try to make six. I didn't go there just for a recruiting trip. Me, I try to locate better. -- Greg Maddux, Consistency is something you can always improve on. The righthander was discussing how changing speeds and having control are far more important than velocity, because no hitter can tell the exact speed of a pitch. I take golf trips with my brother or with friends. One of the greatest sporting events Ive ever covered was Madduxs absurd eight scoreless innings against the New York Yankees in Game 2 of the 1996 World Series. Do not let the reality fool you this is still nothing short of amazing. Have to watch Bartolos HR when I need a little boost. That's what you do to pitch. On Dec. 9, 1992, with Maddux coming off his first Cy Young Award following a 20-11, 2.18 ERA season as a Cub, the Braves inked the right-hander to a five-year, $28 million deal. I'd rather try and not win than not try at all. 97.2 - Greg Maddux was inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame in 2014, on his first ballot, receiving 97.2% of the possible votes. The Gibsons, the Koufaxes and Drysdales did it with power and intimidation, a befuddled Yankees manager Joe Torre said. It was what the ball did in the last 10 feet that mattered. Pride was a fluent lip-reader, and Maddux says that pitchers around the league were well aware of that. So, fastball, over the plate, and thats a stolen strike. The deal almost wasn't. The Yankees had offered the right-hander $6 million more, with then-general manager Gene Michael saying, "He's the best one out there. The number of plays a pitcher makes after he's thrown the pitch pales in comparison to the numb. He would win at least 15 games in every year with the team. One of the reasons now is all the angles and all the cameras. The mound visit just removed all reasonable doubt. He didnt do that much, particularly in his prime. Greg Maddux, a Hall of Famer, threw out the ceremonial first pitch during Game 5 of the World Series in 2021. When he came down, I asked him how it felt to be hypnotized. It was seen as a given that Greg Maddux would go into the Hall of Fame wearing the cap of the Atlanta Braves, the team for which he spent the most time and had the most success. Thanks to Baseball-reference.coms Play Index (which is totally worth your subscription dollars), we can definitively see that of his 177 intentional walks, 153 of them came in 30 counts. You can be more consistent with your mental approach, the things you do physically on the mound. The pitches were right there! What? 1991 Upper Deck Baseball Cards Wax Pack: Find the Nolans! Many believe that the 1987 Canon is Greg Maddux's rarest card, but I believe that to be untrue. Greg Maddux had every intention to sign with the Yankees in 1992, but he says he never received a contract offer because one of the Yankee front office members had a heart attack(via @ToeingTheSlab) pic.twitter.com/fz6qo05A8J, I got on the plane, went home, we had a layover in Chicago and I remember landing in Chicago and calling Scott [Boras, Madduxs agent], and he said the Braves were able to make me an offer. Maddux following the final season of his first Cubs stint in 1992 was a free agent, and as the reigning Cy Young winner in the NL he was highly coveted. He is the treasurer for the Hemond-Delhi Chapter of the Society for American Baseball Research (SABR) and also is a USSF and AIA soccer referee. Instead of having to look over 17 inches of home plate, Im looking over four inches of home plate, and Im looking for one pitch in one little spot. Because for five games in the 89 playoffs, Will the Thrill had the Cubs number. He was rewarded with the NL Cy Young Award in 1992 when he won 20 games for the first time with a 2.18 ERA in 268 innings. This offseason, he spoke with, A half-decade after winning the World Series with the Boston Red Sox, one veteran player is heading to a very different situation. Between the time Zimmer stepped out of the dugout to the time he headed back off the mound, all of 31 seconds elapsed. I try to do two things: locate my fastball and change speeds. Period. He never had a pitch that you would rank among the greatest of all time if you were ranking the top 20 or top 50 fastballs or sliders or curveballs or change-ups, you probably wouldnt put Maddux on any of those lists. Greg Maddux reveals how close he was to signing with Yankees in the 1990s. Whats interesting, Maddux said, is that it seems like the better the hitter, the easier it is to get them to take a strike. And hes quite a bit shorter than Maddux (who is 6 feet), plus (Zimmer) is on the downslope of the mound. He is a native of Cotati, Calif., and a graduate of UC Davis. If nothing else, hearing whats said behind the gloves supported the notion that pitchers might not be so paranoid after all when it comes to the cone of silence they wear on their non-throwing hands. And among pitchers since 1950 with at least 200 innings, Maddux had four separate seasons where his BB/9 are in the top 15 of all-time. In the last month and half of the season, batters hit .347 against Maddux, he walked 19 batters in 27 1/3 innings and the Cubs lost all seven games he appeared in. There are a lot of shots in golf I can't hit, but I try to hit them anyway. Hundreds of pitchers . On Wednesday, Powerade announced a new partnership with the Memphis Grizzlies star Morant, who will serve as the face of their rebranded product. Among pitchers who debuted in 1920 or later, Gibson, Rip Sewell and Greg Maddux are the only three to tally at least 10 stolen bases. Perhaps an ancient race of subterranean cave people would have emerged and taken over the planet. Alicea thought the ball hit a hole of some kind. The thing I am trying to keep in mind is that relying on my past performance will not make me win my next game, it'll only get in my way. On May 17, 1988, Greg Maddux threw 10 shutout innings at Wrigley Field against the St. Louis Cardinals. I went there to sign with the Yankees, Maddux said. Did he deserve to get them? Instead of doing 5 good pitches an inning, try to make six. The. The Braves soon ponied up, and the rest is National League history. I go up to into home plate and dig my hole my little foot hole I normally do. I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention. -- Greg Maddux, Regardless of where you're pitching, regardless of what goes on before or after your game, you still have to be ready. -- Greg Maddux, There are a lot of shots in golf I can't hit, but I try to hit them anyway. Answer (1 of 14): All good answers so far, so I won't repeat the obvious bits: Defense: Pitcher defense is not one of the first hundred things that comes to mind when most people think about baseball. He just doesnt want us to read his lips, Hudler said. He faced 893 batters that season. In addition, Maddux lives in Las Vegas, and he thinks like a gambler. I've worked with Stacy for over 30 years. Gwynn struck out 434 times in 10,232 plate appearances. I could probably throw harder if I wanted, but why? Greg Maddux faced 20,421 batters during his career and only 310 saw a 30 count. His feature story on Sergio Romo and a young cancer patient won first place in feature writing from the Associated Press Sports Editors in 2015. Maddux was one of the best pitchers who pitched exclusively in the Live Ball Era. I always felt like you cant win the game on seven or eight pitches, but you sure can lose it. And thats why I wasnt made an offer. You dont think the hitter, Austin Riley, would have loved to have had an earpiece for that at-bat? On Monday, ESPNs Ethan Strauss reminded us about a fantastic quote that Maddux once had about Gwynn that summed up his sensational career. Bowas quote, as you will see, foreshadows what would make Greg Maddux unlike any other pitcher in the history of baseball. Reality: Greg Maddux faced 20,421 batters during his career. That's what you do to pitch. Period. But this was part of the magic he wasnt trying to make any of those lists. It was not so much the whole 60 feet, 6 inches. I will be back., I look forward to another good year next year. Greg Maddux is indubitably one of the greatest pitchers ever to toe the slab. When they're in a jam, a lot of pitcherstry to throw harder. The Yankees had offered the right-hander $6 million more. By the time I became a baseball fan in the early 2000s, he was older and less effective. I feel like I can be more aggressive, he said. You can always do more of what you are doing well and try to be as consistent as you can be. Chicks dig the long ball. You take that chance.. Gregory Alan Maddux was born on April 14, 1966, to parents Linda and Dave Maddux in San Angelo, Texas. Many years ago, when I was a teenager, I went to see a show featuring a hypnotist. In other words, the last pitch of the plate appearance came on a 30 count. What does that even mean? (Photo by . Throughout the day, @MLBNetwork is airing its documentary on Mark Fidrych before showing his complete game on June 28, 1976 vs. the Yankees. But it perfectly suited Madduxs personality. But they had them. Im not sure if Maddux invented it or if he simply took it to a different level from anyone before him. 3rd inning: Two groundouts and a caught stealing For more information, please see our So thanks for that. Theyre a whole other thing. Stealing one base in each of. The cards were a tough pull . It's hard to know what people really expect of you, and I've never tried to live up to expectations anyway. You can be more consistent with your mental approach, the things you do physically on the mound. Me, I try to locate better., Consistency is something you can always improve on. And hes Greg Maddux. I'm not just hoping to get it where I want it Let the other guys do it half-assed. Greg Maddux, who was a key . For the next eleven years, Maddux would dominate the game like no one else. Theres a legend my favorite legend, not least because its definitely true that after he won his 17th Gold Glove, breaking Jim Kaats record, he got a congratulatory message from Kaat. This time, though, the Yankees pitcher and his catcher, Jose Trevino, were both wearing microphones for the broadcast. Maddux thought it hit a ghost. Jan 5, . The fact was, I wanted to stay in the National League and I wanted to go with a team that had a chance to win.". On Dec. 9, 1992, with Maddux coming off his first Cy Young Award following a 20-11, 2.18 ERA season as a Cub, the Braves inked the right-hander to a five-year, $28 million deal. The deal almost wasn't. If thats not respect, I dont know what is. I pitched just good enough to lose. -- Greg Maddux, I take golf trips with my brother or with friends. This row, however, does not mean that there were 312 plate appearances that saw a 30 count. In typical Maddux form, he only walked 92 hitters in 574 innings and 11 of those were intentional. Greg Maddux got to see that firsthand. The best pitchers have a short term memory and a bullet proof confidence. -- Greg Maddux, The reason I think I'm a good pitcher is I locate my fastball and I change speeds. The best pitchers have a short term memory and a bullet proof confidence. I just have so much more confidence in that pitch.. Maybe 1% of it gets peeled back with this fact he would rather you not know: Over the past four seasons Maddux has been the greatest righthanded pitcher since Walter. Wet grass is slippery, I don't believe for one second that the eye surgery has helped me on the mound, You're not going to win by automatically going out there. "I don't even think about. Maddux is a master of strategically timed nose picking, sidling up to an unsuspecting rookie in the shower and urinating on the kid's leg, and inventing just the right nickname for a teammate . He pitched complete games in much less than two hours without ever throwing one eye-popping pitch. Will Clark (@WillClark22) July 19, 2022. This is what his average season in Atlanta looked like: 18-8, 230 IP, 6 CG, 166 SO, 35 BB, 2.63 ERA. I was under the impression I had signed a three-year contract. That's it. Thats just finding a weakness from an opponent and using it to your advantage.. Somewhere along the line, Maddux saw because hes a big studier of the game he had to have seen someone where he could read their lips. Authenticity Guarantee. I'd rather try and not win than not try at all. That would make the count 0-1 and do you know what batters hit against Maddux in their careers when behind 0-1? Seven of those 19 times, the batter notched a base hit; the other 12 times, the batter made an out. In the second at-bat, I go to a 3-2 count. The ball was there for us, Williams said. Its the guys that kind of go up there and kind of just see the ball and react, its a little tougher to steal a strike off those guys., He smiled: You get them out in a different way.. Analysts continually said his fastball topped out at 84 or 85 mph, for instance. They won the World Series in 1996, 1998, and 1999, and then they added another ring in 2000. In 1996, when teams were averaging 5.04 runs per game, at the time the highest rate since the 1930s, Greg Maddux's ERA was less than half that at 2.72. There was a meme of Maddux floating around the internet for a hot second. Maybe the lesson is that you shouldnt leave a pitcher in after throwing 160 pitches? It dropped to 4.9% in 1993 and was only higher than 5% in one of his remaining seasons (2002). One year we went to Hawaii., I only know one way to pitch. Nobodys watching the minor-league games. Why would Maddux deserve to get strike calls that other pitchers do not get? As Kay noted, the Yankees turned to Jimmy Key in free agency, signing the lefty to a four-year, $17 million deal. How did he do it? Between their success and trades of, Its amazing how quickly those on the PGA Tour have done a 180 regarding cuts in tournament golf. And he would never, ever make that mistake again. From 1986-1992, Maddux would win 95 games for the Cubs, garnering 20 wins. The baseball world was mourning the passing of one of its most beloved players on Monday, as San Diego Padres legend Tony Gwynn lost his battle with cancer at the age of 54. Greg Maddux figured out early, and never forgot, that his next pitch was actually the next turn of the (baseball) card. So if hes throwing three lefties in and hes not throwing one lefty in, then whats the deal here? Clark said. No, everything Maddux threw was defined by two words: Late movement. If you look five columns to the left of where I highlighted his total batters faced, youll see he intentionally walked 177 batters over the course of his career. Penny threw seven shutout innings, striking out six and walking nobody. The first one was personal. Follow on Twitter: @LWOSEvanT And Maddux throws me a 3-2 changeup and I sort of hooked it out to right-center for a homer. So, I throw a breaking ball for a strike on the outside half, hes not swinging, Ive evened up the count. Baseball News, Analysis, History, Schedule, Rumors. What do I do now? You tell a legendary story about Ryan and it will involve speed and force. Greg Maddux is indubitably one of the greatest pitchers ever to toe the slab. In Game 2 of the 1996 World Series, he walked to the mound in the first inning at Yankee Stadium with a 1-0 lead, and he promptly put sleeper hold on the Yankees and the city of New York. All Rights Reserved. He could make the ball jump and dive and side-step, and he threw it exactly where he intended just about every time. With several pitches, four strike zone quadrants and many changes of. Then he got off to such a bad start at spring training in 1988 that he couldnt even sleep at night. The best insights from the ultimate insiders, 2023 NYP Holdings, Inc. 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By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. But he's a steal at $28 million. The Canon Photocards were sent out to fans who corresponded with Cubs players via mail, this was done both in the 1987 and 1988 seasons. A commercial writer with tagline skills that would force even Don Draper to say thank you: And his prank abilities were known far and wide(hint: don't eat the chili): Somewhere, in some alternate universe, Greg Maddux signed with the Yankees or stayed with the Cubs and the entire future would have changed. Wrigleys either the best place in the league to pitch in or the worst. Maddux will go 16-11 with a 3.96 ERA in 218 1/3 innings in what will be his final season in Atlanta. " The key to pitching is to have the ability to throw a strike when they're taking and throw a ball when the hitter is swinging. That's no way to play baseball. -- Greg Maddux, I try to do two things: locate my fastball and change speeds. There was a lesson one only Greg Maddux could understand.

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